Joy Division “Love Will Tear Us Apart” & New Order- “True Faith”
I decided to post another video by Joy Division in honor of one of our newest “Linkies” Fran I Am.
The song “Love Will Tear Us Apart” was Joy Division’s most popular single hitting 13th on the British Singles chart in the Summer of 1980. (Several months after Ian Curtis’ suicide).
Joy Division soon disbanded having vowed to abandon the name should any member ever leave the band. They reformed as the trio known as New Order. (Later a quartet when they added Gillian Gilbert, which leads to next video).
I gave our friend Tengrain at Mock, Paper, Scissors a little bit of shit last night when he asked, “But you neglect the New Order years?”
I never cared much for New Order or their style of music in general, but Ten is a good dude and so I decided to include one of New Order’s videos as well.
*Interesting aside. The band New Order furthered accusations by some that the members of Joy Division were “Neo-Nazis.”
The name “Joy Division” stems from a WWII historical novel written by Yehiel De-Nur. In the novel, De-Nur refers to the “Joy Divisions” within Concentration Camps that housed Jewish women who were used as Sex Slaves.
When the members of Joy Division moved on and formed New Order some said they were again referring to Nazism. Hitler often promised, “The New Order of the Third Reich,” in his speeches.
The band members vehemently denied the accusations, but they dogged them throughout their careers.
On their live album, Bernard Sumner can be heard saying, “You all forgot Rudolf Hess.”
Rudolf Hess acted as Adolf Hitler’s Deputy, although he quickly fell out of Hitler’s favor once Hitler began consolidating power.
Hess fled to Scotland after the war broke out in attempt to score a Peace Settlement with the British (He even offered to return all the land Germany had conquered), but was subsequently arrested, and died in prison in 1987.
There are numerous reasons why Joy Division may have had interest in Hess. Hess was completely isolated in solitary confinement by the British after his capture. He was also thought to be insane. Many of Joy Division’s songs focus on isolation, insanity etc.
Also, after Hess’ death rumors began spreading that the man in British Custody was in fact not Rudolf Hess but a “Substitute.” Although the rumors were dismissed several “discrepancies” remain. For example, the man claiming to be Hess did not have scars from the wounds Hess received during WWII, nor could the man remember where he was stationed during the War.
According to people who interviewed him, specifically Richard-Arnold Baker an MI6 officer, “Hess” knew very little about Germany or its culture.
Personally, I have no idea. None of Joy Division’s songs are Anti-Semitic nor have I ever heard any of the members say anything Anti-Semitic. Generally “Neo-Nazis” are more than happy to share their idiotic views with anyone who will listen.
I think it has more to do with Ian Curtis’ preoccupation with death, which the Nazis are the ultimate symbol. (Anyway, I thought it was interesting).
“Love Will Tear Us Apart”